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From Camille Dareste1   2 July 1870

Ville de Lille | (Nord) | Museum d’Histoire Naturelle | rue

des Fleurs, 1 | Lille %%D le 2 juillet 1870 %%S Monsieur

Permettez-moi de recourir encore une fois à l’inépuisable obligeance dont vous m’avez déjà donné beaucoup de preuves.

Il s’agit toujours de la race des boeufs niata. La discussion que j’ai soutenue à ce sujet après avoir porté sur l’existence même de cette race en Amérique, a été actuellement portée sur un tout autre terrain. On conteste que les caractères ostéologiques de la race niata soient les mêmes que j’ai décrits dans la tête d’un Veau né de race flamande dont je vous ai envoyé la description, il y a trois ans.2

Pour ma part, j’avais cru d’abord à l’existence de quelques différences, légeres il est vrai; tant que je n’avais pu connaître la tête du niata que vous avez rapportée d’Amérique que par la brève description d’Owen.3 Mais ayant pu tout récemment, étudier la figure qui en a été donnée par Rütimeyer dans son mémoire sur les races de boeufs, je me suis convaincu que ces différences n’existaient point;4 et que, du moins en ne considérant que les profils il y a, sauf les différences d’âge, une véritable identité de forme et de structure.

Mais un point reste indécis pour moi. En étudiant de nouveau la tête dont je vous ai adressé la description,5 je me suis aperçu d’un caractère nouveau et fort intéressant qui m’avait complètement échappé dans ma première étude. Ce caractère consiste en ce que le vomer vient s’interposer entre les deux os intermaxillaires, et qu’il forme ainsi partie de la voûte palatine. Caractère d’autant plus remarquable qu’il ne se rencontre que chez les Dauphins et un certain nombre de Cétacés.

Pourriez-vous me dire si la tête osseuse que Vous avez rapportée, et qui est au Collège des chirurgiens, présente un semblable caractère? S’il en était ainsi, nous aurions bien évidemment un document incontestable sur l’origine de la race niata.

Je Vous prie encore une fois d’excuser mon importunité. Mais il s’agit pour moi d’une question fort importante, par suite des contradictions que j’ai rencontrées lorsque j’ai publié ces faits pour la première fois.6 D’ailleurs il s’agit ici d’une question beaucoup plus vaste encore de Votre belle théorie sur l’origine des espèces que nous aurons je le crains bien, beaucoup de peine à faire accepter en France.

Veuillez agréer, je vous prie, l’expression de mon sincère et profond respect. | Camille Dareste. | Prof. à la fac. des Sc. de Lille.

CD annotations

4.3 Ce caractère … Cétacés. 4.6] scored blue crayon; enclosed in square brackets, blue crayon
4.3 Ce caractère … palatine 4.5] scored pencil

Footnotes

For a translation of this letter, see Correspondence vol. 18, Appendix I.
Dareste refers to his work Rapport sur un veau monstreaux (Dareste 1867; see Correspondence vol. 15, letter from Camille Dareste, 19 May 1867 and n. 8). Niata cattle are an abnormally small race from South America, whose peculiarities are now seen as the result of a form of dwarfism. CD discussed niata cattle in Journal of researches 2d ed., pp. 145–6, and Variation 1: 90–2.
For Richard Owen’s description of the skull that CD had brought back from South America, see [Owen] 1853, 2: 3832. The skull was in the Hunterian museum of the Royal College of Surgeons, London.
The illustration for Ludwig Rütimeyer’s description of the niata was a woodcut made from a photograph of the skull in the Hunterian museum (see Rütimeyer 1866, p. 28).
Dareste refers to his exchange of papers with André Sanson in the Comptes rendus hebdomadaires des séances de l’Académie des sciences (see Correspondence vol. 15, letter from Camille Dareste, 19 May 1867 and n. 9).

Bibliography

Correspondence: The correspondence of Charles Darwin. Edited by Frederick Burkhardt et al. 29 vols to date. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. 1985–.

Dareste, Camille. 1867. Rapport sur un veau monstreux. (Extracted from the Archives du Comice Agricole de l’Arrondisement Lille.) Lille: Blocquel-Castiaux.

Journal of researches 2d ed.: Journal of researches into the natural history and geology of the countries visited during the voyage of HMS Beagle round the world, under the command of Capt. FitzRoy RN. 2d edition, corrected, with additions. By Charles Darwin. London: John Murray. 1845.

[Owen, Richard.] 1853b. Descriptive catalogue of the osteological series contained in the museum of the Royal College of Surgeons of England. 2 vols. London: [Royal College of Surgeons of England].

Rütimeyer, Ludwig. 1866. Über Art und Raçe des zahmen europäischen Rindes. Archiv für Anthropologie 1: 217–50.

Variation: The variation of animals and plants under domestication. By Charles Darwin. 2 vols. London: John Murray. 1868.

Translation

From Camille Dareste1   2 July 1870

Ville de Lille | (Nord) | Museum d’Histoire Naturelle | rue

des Fleurs, 1 | Lille %%D 2 July 1870 %%S Dear Sir

Allow me to appeal once more to the infinite obligingness of which you have already shown me so much evidence.

My subject is still the race of niata cattle. The debate I have sustained on this matter, after having turned on the very existence of this race in America, has now been carried into quite a different domain. Some are now questioning whether the osteological characteristics of the niata race are the same as those I described in the head of a Calf born of the Flemish race, the description of which I sent you three years ago.2

For my part, I had at first believed in the existence of certain differences, though admittedly slight ones, for all I was only able to know the niata head which you brought back from America from Owen’s brief description.3 But having very recently been able to study the picture Rütimeyer gives in his memoir on the races of cattle, I have become convinced that these differences do not exist;4 and that, at least when considering the profiles alone, there is, differences of age excepted, a true identity between form and structure.

But one point remains inconclusive for me. While looking again at the head whose description I sent you,5 I became aware of a new and most interesting character that had completely escaped me during my first investigation. This character consists of the fact that the vomer is interposed between the two intermaxillary bones, thus forming part of the hard palate. A character the more remarkable in that it is only found among the Dolphins and a certain number of Cetaceans.

Can you tell me whether the skull that You brought back, and which is at the College of surgeons, exhibits a similar character? If it were so, we would very evidently have an incontestable document concerning the origin of the niata race.

Once again, I beg You to excuse my importunity. But for me this is a most important question, because of the conflict I encountered when I published these facts for the first time.6 Besides, there is also a far more extensive question here of Your fine theory on the origin of species which we shall have, I greatly fear, much trouble in getting accepted in France.

Please allow me to express my sincere and profound respects. | Camille Dareste. | Prof. at the Sc. fac. of Lille.

Footnotes

For a transcription of this letter in its original French, see Transcript.
Dareste refers to his work Rapport sur un veau monstreaux (Dareste 1867; see Correspondence vol. 15, letter from Camille Dareste, 19 May 1867 and n. 8). Niata cattle are an abnormally small race from South America, whose peculiarities are now seen as the result of a form of dwarfism. CD discussed niata cattle in Journal of researches 2d ed., pp. 145–6, and Variation 1: 90–2.
For Richard Owen’s description of the skull that CD had brought back from South America, see [Owen] 1853, 2: 3832. The skull was in the Hunterian museum of the Royal College of Surgeons, London.
The illustration for Ludwig Rütimeyer’s description of the niata was a woodcut made from a photograph of the skull in the Hunterian museum (see Rütimeyer 1866, p. 28).
Dareste refers to his exchange of papers with André Sanson in the Comptes rendus hebdomadaires des séances de l’Académie des sciences (see Correspondence vol. 15, letter from Camille Dareste, 19 May 1867 and n. 9).

Bibliography

Correspondence: The correspondence of Charles Darwin. Edited by Frederick Burkhardt et al. 29 vols to date. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. 1985–.

Dareste, Camille. 1867. Rapport sur un veau monstreux. (Extracted from the Archives du Comice Agricole de l’Arrondisement Lille.) Lille: Blocquel-Castiaux.

Journal of researches 2d ed.: Journal of researches into the natural history and geology of the countries visited during the voyage of HMS Beagle round the world, under the command of Capt. FitzRoy RN. 2d edition, corrected, with additions. By Charles Darwin. London: John Murray. 1845.

[Owen, Richard.] 1853b. Descriptive catalogue of the osteological series contained in the museum of the Royal College of Surgeons of England. 2 vols. London: [Royal College of Surgeons of England].

Rütimeyer, Ludwig. 1866. Über Art und Raçe des zahmen europäischen Rindes. Archiv für Anthropologie 1: 217–50.

Variation: The variation of animals and plants under domestication. By Charles Darwin. 2 vols. London: John Murray. 1868.

Summary

Has found a remarkable anatomical character in the niata skull of which he wrote [see 5540]. Asks whether the skull CD brought from South America [at the Royal College of Surgeons] shows the same character. If so, it would provide incontestable evidence of the origin of this race of cattle.

Letter details

Letter no.
DCP-LETT-7262
From
Gabriel-Madeleine-Camille (Camille) Dareste
To
Charles Robert Darwin
Sent from
Muséum d’Histoire Naturelle, Lille
Source of text
DAR 162: 47
Physical description
ALS 3pp † (French)

Please cite as

Darwin Correspondence Project, “Letter no. 7262,” accessed on 23 April 2024, https://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/letter/?docId=letters/DCP-LETT-7262.xml

Also published in The Correspondence of Charles Darwin, vol. 18

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