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From John D. Glennie Jr   6 April 1861

Stapleford Lodge | near Cambridge

Ap. 6. 1861.

Dear Sir

Your friend Innes has forwarded your letter of the 30th. Ulto: to me respecting “Bees.”1 If my memory serves me aright you & I have already met before & the same subject was then the magnet which drew us together. Were not you present at a lecture which I delivered on Bees at Southend Lewisham, & did not I lend you part of my MS. afterwards referring to the construction of cells?2 But be this as it may I now gladly turn to the points of enquiry in your letter. They are, I hold, very fully answered in a letter I wrote to Notes & Queries in a reply to a correspondent who started the idea that “bees lose their life by stinging” is a “popular error” & asking “what foundation there was for it”. I will therefore refer you to that (N. & Q. Vol XI. No. 295. page 489)3   I had forgotten what gave rise to it or even the drift of my answer but on reading it now I am sure that it must be that to which Innes referred you.4 I will now add a few remarks to my former statements which will touch the points of your letter, & you may make any use you please of what I state. Bees & wasps are not, on this point to be placed exactly in the same category. The bee never stings until previously brought to a state of intense excitement and when once the act has been committed she seems no longer mistress of her actions   Were she able to calm herself immediately after planting her sting, and if the offended person would likewise be calm & allow the bee the time & opportunity to release itself (two contingencies most unlikely to concur) I believe it possible that the poor bee might escape with sting & life entire. But as soon as she has fixed herself by her sting to the flesh she begins to tug away & twist about till the bag of poison & sting together part from the rest of the body. But the moment this catastrophe has taken place, all the excitement gives way at once, the death-wound is felt & she does not even seem to care to escape the vengeance of her late enemy.

The wasp, on the contrary, goes to work with far more coolness & conscious strength. She is an idle adventurer, devoid of all the home ties of the busy bee, who lives by plunder whose hand is against every one & every one’s hand against her. Her armour both offensive & defensive is proportionally stronger than that of the thrifty bee. The one is of the agricultural labourer, the other of the (Amazon warrior) type. If the wasp stings & has the opportunity of escape she will get away uninjured as is very often the case. Her stinging apparatus is much more firmly fixed than that of the bee & (I have been told but cannot vouch for it) the sting is either not barbed or much more slightly barbed than that of the bee.

To save my bees lives when operating upon them & unavoidably irritating them I use thick woollen gloves (ringwood gloves)5 or two pair, & woollen trousers & coat (not fustian or corderoy or leather) thick enough to prevent the sting from reaching so deep as to the skin, because the barbs do not act to any injurious extent in clinging to the woollen texture & the bees sting & sting again to their hearts content without injury to me or to themselves.

I have been writing all this in the midst of a shower of conversation & repartee from some 6 different members of my family in the same room. Forgive therefore incoherence & lengthy verbiage. I believe I have answered your questions. If not, or I can help you on any other point, pray write again to me direct

Yrs. truly | (Rev) John D Glennie Jun

CD annotations

1.1 Your … cells? 1.5] crossed pencil
1.9 & asking … 489) 1.10] scored brown crayon
2.8 the sting … bee. 2.9] double scored brown crayon
4.1 I have … Jun 5.1] crossed pencil
Top of first page: ‘On Bees stinging | (Try Pork or Chicken skin—)’ pencil

Footnotes

CD’s letter has not been found. It may have been written at the suggestion of John Innes (see letter from John Innes, [before 6 April 1861]). Innes, perpetual curate of Down, was himself a beekeeper who had supplied CD with information on bees (see Correspondence vol. 6, letter to John Innes, [after 16 February 1857]).
It is not known whether CD attended Glennie’s lecture. CD was actively engaged in investigating the construction of bees’ cells in 1858 (see Correspondence vol. 7).
[Glennie] 1855. This was published in the first series of Notes and Queries. Glennie wrote the piece under the pseudonym J. D. Ottinge.
This information may have been included in the missing portion of the letter from John Innes, [before 6 April 1861].
Ringwood, Hampshire, had long been a centre for the manufacture of woollen gloves (Hewitt 1912).

Bibliography

Correspondence: The correspondence of Charles Darwin. Edited by Frederick Burkhardt et al. 29 vols to date. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. 1985–.

[Glennie, John David]. 1855. “The whole duty of man:” popular error. Notes and Queries 11: 489–90.

Hewitt, Ethel M. 1912. Industries. Introduction to The Victoria history of the counties of England: Hampshire and the Isle of Wight vol. 5, edited by William Page. Westminster: Archibald Constable and Company.

Summary

The stinging of bees and wasps contrasted.

Letter details

Letter no.
DCP-LETT-3113
From
John David Glennie, Jr
To
Charles Robert Darwin
Sent from
Cambridge
Source of text
DAR 48: 70–3
Physical description
ALS 8pp †

Please cite as

Darwin Correspondence Project, “Letter no. 3113,” accessed on 5 June 2025, https://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/letter/?docId=letters/DCP-LETT-3113.xml

Also published in The Correspondence of Charles Darwin, vol. 9

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