To Charles Lyell 6 March [1863]
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March 6th
My dear Lyell.
Putting you off was a great & bitter disappointment,1 I shd. so have liked to have talked over many points & Owen’s false letter.2 But I had no choice, & I much fear that Emma is right & that I must knock off all work & all of us go to Malvern for two months.3 I get on with nothing.— Thank you much for your interesting note.—4 Keep Dana—5
I have been of course, deeply interested by your Book:6 I have hardly any remarks worth sending, but will scribble a little on what most interested me. But I will first get out what I hate saying, viz that I have been greatly disappointed that you have not given judgment & spoken fairly out what you think about the derivation of Species.7 I shd. have been contented if you had boldly said that species have not been separately created, & had thrown as much doubt as you like on how far variation & N. Selection suffices. I hope to Heaven I am wrong (& from what you say about Whewell it seems so) but I cannot see how your Chapters can do more good than an extraordinarily able review.”8 I think the Parthenon is right that you will leave the Public in a fog.9 No doubt they may infer that as you give more space to myself, Wallace & Hooker than to Lamarck, you think more of us.10 But I had always thought that your judgment would have been an epoch in the subject.11 All that is over with me; & I will only think on the admirable skill with which you have selected the striking points & explained them.— No praise can be too strong, in my opinion, on that inimitable chapter on language in comparison with species.12
Now for a few trifling criticisms13
p. 187. Sentence beginning “my friend Mr Evans” not clear:14
p. 229 sentence “but long after that period” seems to me awkward & not clear.15
p. 231— “hence there will be passages” It is not clear whether you refer to glaciers or floating ice-bergs, if the latter might they not have been overturned?16
p. 257. “For Cap—Sullivan read Sulivan17
p. 264— I wonder you did not add a vivid sentence, which you could have done so well, at the end of Glen Roy, on our almost still seeing the glacier lakes.18
p. 278. the number of the p. itself at top is inverted—19
I think the glacier chapters are almost the best in the book.20 The closing pages of Ch. XIV are magnificient, I can use no other term.21 I think this discussion has interested me almost more than the antiquity of man. The gloss of novelty was worn off the latter, yet I have been deeply struck by the effect of the agglomerated evidence.
p. 294 might not you have added preservation of striæ under lakes & according to Smith of J. Hill under tidal fiords.22
p. 323 ought you not to have added a sentence or two on the glacial phenomena of S. America & N. Zealand?23 Have you heard of Haast’s statemts of pre-historic man in N. Zealand?24 I was disappointed that you did not discuss the supposed warmer period after glacial period in N. America—
How admirable are your remarks on Ramsay’s Theory!25
p. 367. I do not know whether Hooker will approve of your coupling his name with mine on mundane glacial period He has often fought me strongly on it—26 I feel a conviction that no view throws so much light on Geograph. Distrib: Hooker even in his late papers on Fernando Po & Cameroon Mts does not allude to the coldness of the Tropics.27 These latter cases seem to me to prove that Africa was then colder, & this was the only quarter of the globe where full proof was wanting. I think I convinced Hooker that the general phenomena are not explicable on the assumption that one Tropical region remained hot as a refuge for Tropical productions.28
p. 370. 5 lines from bottom Ought not “polished” to be added before “stone”? as it stands it is very puzzling.—29
p. 374— Wd not S. Africa be a better case with its elephants rhinos. Lions, Hippopotamus &c living in swarms formerly with savage man30
p. 379. I cannot see the force of your argument. Has not the Australian remained a savage to the present day?31
Ch. XXI I think it wd have been advantageous to have enlarged a little more on Nat. Selec. explaining adaptations; at least this was the turning point with me.32
Wd it not have been well to have given a few more striking instances of rudiments?33
How admirably you treat the imperfection of Geolog. record in many places.34
p. 417 It is of little consequence, but Hooker published his Essay a month after the Origin; see my Hist. Introduct. I asked him.35
p. 421. Who is Sefström? neither Lubbock or I ever heard of him.36
p 446. 14 lines from bottom. A person might say that you thought that bats & rodents were not placentals. you show afterwards that this would be a mistake37
p. 447. The fewness of individuals in Islands I believe, as explained in Origin, wd account for the no great amount of transmutation therein.38
450. What a pity you give Owen’s name of “macrurus” instead of von Meyer’s proper name of Lithographicus.39
p. 469. Any one might argue from the middle paragraph that you were far from believing that man was descended from any animal.40
P. 497 Top of p. Compare mind of dog with its wild aboriginal.41
P. 500. I am surprized at what you say about man & Miocene strata considering great gap between man & other animals.—42
p. 505. Sentence at top of p. makes me groan.43
I suppose you could not lend me Owen’s paper on the Aye Aye? Is the part very expensive? I am sorely tempted to expose in Athenæum what rubbish Owen has written on the subject.44
I know you will forgive me for writing with perfect freedom; for you must know how deeply I respect you, as my old honoured guide & master.— I heartily hope & expect that your Book will have gigantic circulation & may do in many ways as much good as it ought to do.—45
I am tired; so no more. I have written so briefly that you will have to guess my meaning. I fear my remarks are hardly worth sending— Farewell—with kindest remembrances to Lady Lyell | Ever yours | C. Darwin
Footnotes
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Summary
Comments at length on CL’s book [Antiquity of man (1863)]. CD is "greatly disappointed that you have not given judgment and spoken fairly out what you think about the derivation of species".
Lists large number of queries concerning minor points.
Praises especially the chapters on language and glaciers.
Comments on the temperature of Africa during the glacial period, especially with regard to the views of Hooker.
Mentions Owen’s paper on the aye-aye [Rep. BAAS 32 (1862) pt 2: 114–16].
Letter details
- Letter no.
- DCP-LETT-4028
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- Charles Robert Darwin
- To
- Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
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- MR 6 63
- Source of text
- American Philosophical Society (Mss.B.D25.289)
- Physical description
- LS(A) 12pp
Please cite as
Darwin Correspondence Project, “Letter no. 4028,” accessed on 26 September 2022, https://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/letter/?docId=letters/DCP-LETT-4028.xml
Also published in The Correspondence of Charles Darwin, vol. 11