From G. H. Darwin 7 November 1878
Trin Coll Camb.
Nov 7. 78
My dear Father,
I enclose Sir W. T.’s report on my paper which you might care to see. You will easily be able to skip the technical parts. I found my M.S scrawled about in his untidy hand, but I came to a sheet of paper in ink & I felt as if I knew the hand, but only thought that he wrote very differently with a pen. An hour or two after it suddenly flashed across me that it was Rayleigh’s writing, so I spotted the other referees in that way.1 I’ve had another long letter from Sir W. about lunar gravity & he proposes my going down to Glasgow to see an instrument wh. he is going to have made. He does’nt think that it would be possible to do it in a town & I expect I shall have to build a shed somewhere at Down.2 I fancy I shall have to get money out of the R.S fund3 as I suppose it will be expensive. Sir W. also quite agrees about the obliquity of the Ecliptic, & what I say about it.4
I have been examining into the sea-tidal observations and I really do think they show a primâ facie case for the viscous yielding of the earth. These are observations during 12 different years at various stations & the tides at 8 out of the 12 are too early, which wd. show viscosity & out of the 4 where they are too late two are at a station where they say the observations are not accurate enough to judge safely with regard to the particular tide I care about.5 I received Dr. Carret’s pamphlet both from himself & you, & I don’t think his ideas will work at all—tho’ he must be a cleverish man to get so deep.6 Evans had an old idea of the crust of the Earth moving over the inside & I think I can show it to be impossible—at least from the causes which he refers to.7
I’ve really got nothing on Earth to write about except mathcs. & so that must be my excuse for so much axles.8
Is’nt Frank going to pay a visit here— & Jim?9
I’ve had no dissipations lately & am glad of it for I’ve been a little down hill again.
Please return Sir W. T.—
Your affec son | G H Darwin
[Enclosure]
I have read with much interest Mr. George Darwin’s paper “on the bodily tides of viscous and semi-elastic spheroids and on the ocean tides on a yielding nucleus” and I am of opinion that it is suitable for publication in the Transactions. The question raised is undoubtedly a very important one— If what is denoted by A (p 28) have some value intermediate between 3 or 4 hours and 24 or 48h the semi diurnal tides would be nearly the same as if the earth were perfectly elastic and the fortnightly tide and other “long period tides” would be nearly zero (as if the solid mass had scarcely any tidal effective rigidity.) It is just possible that this may be the actual state of the case, and that thus it may be explained how the lunar fortnightly tide is so small as it is. Careful analysis of a large number of tide curves from self-registering tide gauges in different parts of the world made within the last ten years by the Tidal committee of the British Association and more lately have failed to actually prove any sensible tide of this denomination; but they have not proved that it is sensibly smaller than the equilibrium value. In this uncertainty it is well to be prepared with theory to account for whatever result may be brought out by more extended observation and more complete analysis of the results. Mr. Darwin in p 62 refers to the determination from observation, of the times of maximum and minimum of the lunar fortnightly—as capable of giving very important information. The determination of the amount was all that I had pointed out as needed because on the perfectly rigid, or perfectly elastic theory the times must be the equilibrium times; & the amounts would show the value of the tidal effective rigidity. Hence we have renewed and augmented interest in prosecuting the analysis of tidal observations—
The rate at which viscosity, or breaking down elasticity, in one or other of Mr. Darwin’s theories, estimated somewhat as I estimated the effect of the tidal friction of the semi diurnal lunar tide in reducing the angular velocity of the earth’s rotation, will be interesting in connection with the question raised by Mr. Darwin. Will it not give so rapid a diminution of the obliquity as to give an argument conclusive against, or rendering very improbable, the supposition of any so great influence of imperfect elasticity as to be discoverable in deviations of the lunar fortny. tide from what it would be were the elasticity perfect?
If Cap. Clarks results quoted in §797 of Thomson & Tait’s N. P. are valid they would seem absolutely conclusive against any breaking down of resistance to change of shape for deviations of the second order of harmonics (elliptic spheroid deviation from fluid equilibrium)10 The difference of 6378 feet between the greatest and least diameters of the equatorial diameters of the sea level could not possibly I think be explained by greater & less densities in a rigid crust buoyed on liquid, & not resisting such stresses as would give two or three feet of difference of diameter in elliptic deformations such as those of the tide generating influence. I have written on p 57 a pencil remark on a notion which seems to have occurred to many who have thought of the subject, but which I think is fallacious.
Still, though I see much reason for believing the supposition of sensible effects of either viscosity or breaking down elasticity to be improbable, (& indeed Mr. Darwin himself expresses a similar opinion on his last two pages, (including however apparently, a supposition of improbability of elastic yielding, in which I cannot agree) there can be no doubt of the importance of the questions raised and of the validity & fertility of the mode of discussion contained in his paper
William Thomson
P.S. I have also written notes in pencil on pp 42, & 48—
Footnotes
Bibliography
Carret, Jules. 1878. Sur les causes du déplacement polaire. [Read 23 May 1878.] Mémoires et documents publié par la Société savoisienne d’histoire et d’archéologie 17: 231–42.
Correspondence: The correspondence of Charles Darwin. Edited by Frederick Burkhardt et al. 29 vols to date. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. 1985–.
Darwin, George Howard. 1907–16. Scientific papers. 5 vols. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
Evans, John. 1866. On a possible geological cause of changes in the position of the axis of the earth’s crust. [Read 15 March 1866.] Proceedings of the Royal Society of London 15 (1866–7): 46–54.
Kushner, David. 1993. George Darwin and a British school of geophysics. Osiris 8: 196–223.
Thomson, William and Tait, Peter Guthrie. 1867. Treatise on natural philosophy. Vol. 1 (no other volumes published). Oxford: Clarendon Press.
Summary
Encloses William Thomson’s report on GHD’s paper. Some of it was written in Rayleigh’s hand.
Letter details
- Letter no.
- DCP-LETT-11738
- From
- George Howard Darwin
- To
- Charles Robert Darwin
- Sent from
- Trinity College, Cambridge
- Source of text
- DAR 210.2: 71, The Royal Society (RR/8/91)
- Physical description
- ALS 5pp encl 16pp
Please cite as
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