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From G. J. Romanes   6 February 1880

February 6, 1880.

I have to thank you very much for your two letters, and also for the enclosures from [Moulton], which I now return.1 The latter convey exactly the criticism that I should have expected from [Moulton], for while writing my essay on Theism I had several conversations with him upon the subject of Spencer’s writings, and so know exactly what he thinks of them.2 But in none of these conversations could I get at anything more definite than is conveyed by the returned letters. In no point of any importance did he make it clear to me that Spencer was wrong, and the only result of our conversation was to show me that in [Moulton’s] opinion it was only my ignorance of mathematics that prevented me from seeing that Mr. Spencer is merely a ‘word philosopher.’ Upon which opinion I reflected, and still reflect, that the mathematicians must be a singularly happy race, seeing that they alone of men are competent to think about the facts of the cosmos. And this reflection becomes still more startling when supplemented by another, viz. that although one may not know any mathematics, everybody knows what mathematics are: they are the sciences of number and measurement, and as such, one is at a loss to perceive why they should be so essentially necessary to enable a man to think fairly and well upon other subjects. But it is, as you once said, that when a man is to be killed by the sword mathematical, he must not have the satisfaction of even knowing how he is killed. Of course, in a general way I quite understand and agree with [Moulton] that Spencer has done but little service to science. But I believe that he has done great service to thinking, and all the mathematicians in the world would not convince me to the contrary, even though they should all deliver their judgment with the magnificent authority of a [Moulton].

Coming now to the diagram, I am much obliged to you for your suggestions. The ‘Descent of Man,’ with all its references upon the subject, and also your paper on the ‘Baby,’ were read, and the results embodied in the diagram, so I am very glad you did not take the needless trouble of consulting these works.3 By ‘Love’ I intend to denote the complex emotion (dependent on the representative faculties) which, having been so lately smitten myself, I am perhaps inclined to place in too exalted a position. But you did not observe that I placed ‘Parental Affection’ and ‘Social Feeling’ very much lower down.4

In my essay I carefully explain the two cases of Drosera and Dionæa as being the best hitherto observed for my purpose in establishing the principle of discrimination among stimuli, as a principle displayed by non-nervous tissues.5

Footnotes

See letters to G. J. Romanes, 3 February 1880 and 5 February 1880. With the first of these letters, CD had enclosed letters to him from John Fletcher Moulton of 10 December 1879 and 13 December 1879 (Correspondence vol. 27). Moulton’s letters contained his comments on Malcolm Guthrie’s critique of Herbert Spencer’s views on CD’s theory of natural selection in On Mr. Spencer’s formula of evolution (Guthrie 1879). In the printed source of this letter, Moulton’s name has been replaced by dashes.
In [G. J. Romanes] 1878, Romanes had discussed ideas presented by Spencer in First principles (Spencer 1860–2), notably Spencer’s concept of ‘persistence of force’ ([G. J. Romanes] 1878, p. 88 and passim). See letter to G. J. Romanes, 3 February 1880 and n. 3. Moulton’s criticism of both Spencer and Guthrie centred on their apparent failure to understand many of the scientific terms and concepts they employed in their writing.
In his letter of 5 February 1880, CD had told Romanes that he would need to consult Expression, ‘Biographical sketch of an infant’, and Descent before venturing to say anything on babies or animals.
Commenting on a diagram that later appeared in Mental evolution in animals (G. J. Romanes 1883, facing title page), CD expressed surprise that Romanes had not put the development of ‘love’ at an earlier stage (see letter to G. J. Romanes, 5 February 1880 and n. 2). Romanes alludes to his marriage in February 1879 to Ethel Duncan.
See G. J. Romanes 1883, pp. 49–51. Romanes had evidently mentioned a different case illustrating plant sensitivity in a now missing letter to CD; CD suggested that the types of sensitivity shown by Drosera (sundew) and Dionaea (Venus fly trap) were better examples (see letter to G. J. Romanes, 5 February 1880 and n. 3).

Bibliography

‘Biographical sketch of an infant’: A biographical sketch of an infant. By Charles Darwin. Mind 2 (1877): 285–94. [Shorter publications, pp. 409–16.]

Descent: The descent of man, and selection in relation to sex. By Charles Darwin. 2 vols. London: John Murray. 1871.

Expression: The expression of the emotions in man and animals. By Charles Darwin. London: John Murray. 1872.

Guthrie, Malcolm. 1879. On Mr. Spencer’s formula of evolution as an exhaustive statement of the changes of the universe. London: Trübner & Co.

[Romanes, George John.] 1878c. A candid examination of theism. By Physicus. London: Trübner & Co.

Romanes, George John. 1883a. Mental evolution in animals: with a posthumous essay on instinct by Charles Darwin. London: Kegan Paul, Trench & Co.

Spencer, Herbert. 1860–2. First principles. London: George Manwaring; Williams & Norgate.

Summary

Thinks Herbert Spencer has done little service to science but a great service to thinking.

Thinks importance of mathematics overestimated [by J. F. Moulton] in criticising Spencer.

Letter details

Letter no.
DCP-LETT-12464
From
George John Romanes
To
Charles Robert Darwin
Sent from
unstated
Source of text
E. D. Romanes 1896, p. 95

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